Depth of Leftist Indoctrination: Islamophobia

It all started with that video. To which I replied with a quote from my own article on the subject. Taken from “Islamophobia < Reality“.

“So to answer that question: is it irrational to be fearful of Islam? Not, at, all. Not to any degree. Looking at the reality with an unflinching view and examining the results of European nations which took in large communities of Muslims verses Poland which took in zero. To enact a Poland policy of “no entry” is not only not IRRATIONAL, it’s the single most rational position to take.

Now we come to the final conclusion: not only is the current definition, demonstrably an example of Propaganda: but it’s also a false premise. There is nothing irrational about being fearful of Islam or large groups of Muslims.

Islamophobia is a complete and utter fallacy.”

When a leftist showed up and things got…. well: there’s a reason we refer to it as “Liberal Lunacy.”

[LEFTIST]

I totally disagree with you. Terms like xenophobia, anti-semitic and islamophobia are all very valid terms. I’v personally been really surprised how black and white the discussion is when people talk about Islam. The total disregard to the fact that world wide christians kill the most people and inflict the most suffering. The total denial of the fact that Europeans have been the most destructive force on the globe for at least 500 years or more. Totally fucked up 5 continents and countless societies and high cultures, robbing wealth from virtually everybody, and now everyone’s suddenly scared that these historical facts are coming back to bite us from our asses. The hypocrisy is just un fucking believable. Besides the current trend of blaming muslims from shit that’s actually the fault of the western elitism and imperialism. Has historically astonishing resemblance to the rise of anti-semitism of the early 1900′.

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This was beyond my ability to so much as tolerate unpacking. So I simply zero’d in on the one aspect I knew would make the house of cards crumble. Since he was so quick to defend muslims: all I had to do was prove what kind of horrors they’d been up to and boom – he’d be out of the running. Leftists are very easy to upset and are also easily shaken as soon as their world view is challenged.

The indoctrination they undergo makes them very fragile to confrontation or opposing points of view: particularly if backed up with verifiable information proving them wrong. As soon as you pick one thread out of place from their carefully woven constructed reality it’s like pulling on the corr ect portion of the thread in cat’s cradle. The whole thing falls apart in their lap.

[ME]

“The total disregard to the fact that world wide christians kill the most people and inflict the most suffering.”

Ask an Indian about that sometime: till then, read a book.

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That little leftist, ever evading of reality decided to fire back.

[LEFTIST]

“No I’ll ask a historian whom can back his claims with real statistics instead of a crappy meme.”

Ha ha, oh little leftist, little leftist.
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I simply responded….

[ME]

“Okey doke.”

Then I proceeded to unload several news articles and a documentary on the topic. Each link sent separately in it’s own @ attack filling his notifications on minds. Which I will provide here.

sikhnet.com “Islamic India – The biggest holocaust in World History

Hinduism Today “India’s Holocaust

jagrukbharat.com “ISLAMIC INDIA: The World’s BIGGEST HOLOCAUST Wiped Out From History Textbooks

myind.net “A Holocaust that everyone Forgot

To all of this, all of this. Books, citations, historical accounts he replies the following…

[LEFTIST]

“People usually forget that every main religion forbids killing other humans”

Then the gloves came off. I will not permit such fluffy fluffy pleasant lies.

[ME]

“People usually forget that every main religion forbids killing other humans” –

You are a liar: Islam specifically tells it’s followers to kill or convert all non-muslims.

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YUSUFALI: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

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YUSUFALI: (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Typical to what I’ve come to expect of leftists… he attempted to evade. Of course….

[LEFTIST]

Be a bit more specific are those verses from the Koran or the book that followed that has    absolutely nothing to do with the real religion?

Like he was getting off that easy. Ha!
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[ME]

They’re from the Quran ya half witted lunatic.

https://quran.com/9/3-13
(ordinarily I’d hide the link or blend it into a statement: but I wanted you to see how the link was provided in the actual message sent across minds)

9.3 “And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.”

9.4 “Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].”

9.5 “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

Muslims are permitted to make peace with non-muslims: only for a short while – then are COMMANDED to utterly annihilate them by every possible method and strategy – unless the non-muslims agree to convert.

Right from the horses mouth – like I said in my first message to you: read a book.

[ME]

https://quran.com/2/190-200
(ordinarily I’d hide the link or blend it into a statement: but I wanted you to see how the link was provided in the actual message sent across minds)

2:190 “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

2:191 “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

2:192 “And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

2:193 “Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”

Muslims are commanded to kill all non-muslims: unless they agree to convert to Islam.

How many more examples of this do you want – directly from the pages of the Quran? Set a number. Is 2 examples good enough? 3? 5? How many different sections of the Quran do you want me to send you of the same concept being proclaims that “Muslims are commanded to kill all non-muslims: unless they agree to convert to Islam.”

How many leftist? name it.

LOOk bud, I know you’ve sold on and told over and over again “Islam is a religion of peace” ad nauseum – I know, I understand. However: you only – need – read the Quran, for yourself: and allow the eyes in your head to actually SEE the words for yourself: for you to know – you’ve been told lies.

Oh noes; the big bad right winger’s being mean to me, wah!
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[LEFTIST]

Hey there’s no real reason for you to start spewing personal insults even if we disagree on this specific issue. I’m just saying I’m not going to accept anything as a truth without examining the issue from various points of view. Such as the political, religious, socioeconomic aspects, customary behavior of the traditional people of a specific region before the main religions and so on. Calling me a half wit won’t help either of us.

[ME]

https://quran.com/9/111
(ordinarily I’d hide the link or blend it into a statement: but I wanted you to see how the link was provided in the actual message sent across minds)

9:111 “Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.”

That is the passage which justifies suicide bombings and grants them paradise.

the Quran SPECIFICALLY tells Muslims: if they kill and are killed in the name of Allah: they will be rewarded with paradise. There it is, black and white, stark as day.

[LEFTIST]

I’m not really sure that translation is correct.

Yet another evasion. You’ll see this multiple times: he is just steadfast committed to holding to his narratives in flagrant denial of reality.

[ME]

that’s the Sahih International translation.

https://quran.com/9/111?translations=85,20,101,17,84,18
Quran.com offers many translations of each text. Here’s the other translations of that same passage.

MUHSIN KHAN
Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.

MUFTI TAQI USMANI
Surely, Allah has bought their lives and their wealth from the believers, in exchange of (a promise) that Paradise shall be theirs. They fight in the way of Allah, and kill and are killed, on which there is a true promise (as made) in the Torah and the Injīl and the Qur’ān. And who can be more faithful to his covenant than Allah? So, rejoice in the deal you have made, and that is the great achievement.

DR. GHALI
Surely Allah has purchased from the believers their selves and their riches for (the reward) that the Garden will be theirs; they fight in the way of Allah; so they kill, and are killed. It is a promise, truly (binding) on Him in the Tawrah, and the Injil, and the Qur’an; and who fulfils his covenant (better) than Allah! So feel glad of the tidings of the selling you have made (Literally: allegiance you have sworn) with Him; and that is the (bargain) (that is) the magnificent triumph.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

ABDUL HALEEM
God has purchased the persons and possessions of the believers in return for the Garden- they fight in God’s way: they kill and are killed- this is a true promise given by Him in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran. Who could be more faithful to his promise than God? So be happy with the bargain you have made: that is the supreme triumph.

DR. MUSTAFA KHATTAB, THE CLEAR QURAN
Allah has indeed purchased from the believers their lives and wealth in exchange for Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah and kill or are killed. This is a true promise binding on Him in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran. And whose promise is truer than Allah’s? So rejoice in the exchange you have made with Him. That is ˹truly˺ the ultimate triumph.

[LEFTIST]

Well anyways you don’t have to get mad at me for thinking for my self. I’m just saying that it really doesn’t seem to me like your taking everything to account.

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I just keep trying to reach this guy – I really do. I keep confronting with verifiable proof: he keeps evading. It’s amazing. Leftist indoctrination has reached astonishing degrees of mind control.  Finally I just put it in as simple terms as is possible….

[ME]

Again I say “I know you’ve sold on and told over and over again “Islam is a religion of peace” ad nauseum – I know, I understand. However: you only – need – read the Quran, for yourself: and allow the eyes in your head to actually SEE the words for yourself: for you to know – you’ve been told lies.”

First you tried to evade reality with “are those verses from the Koran or the book that followed that has absolutely nothing to do with the real religion?

Then you tried to evade reality by questioning the Translation.

Now, having been presented with absolute irrefutable proof that the Quran undeniably, unquestioningly, irrefutably directly TELLS muslims to kill non-muslims unless they convert: and that if Muslims kill for the name of Allah and die in the name of Allah – they are rewarded with paradise:

Now you’re further, still, continuing to evade reality in asserting “I’m just saying that it really doesn’t seem to me like your taking everything to account.

If I tell you that 2 + 2 = 4: will I not be taking everything into account?

2. My assertion is “The Quran tells Muslims to kill non muslims unless they convert, and that if muslims kill and die in the name of alah they are rewarded with paradise”

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2. I then show you in the Quran where it directly says exactly that….

2 + 2 = 4

Capitulate to reality or admit that you are a propagandist ideologue doubling down on the lies you have been told, which you are WILLFULLY choosing to continue to hold in spite of the verifiable abject reality you have been shown.

Trying to get through to these people is just a practice in absurdity. He did not respond to that last message by the way. I’m sure he will, eventually, when he figures out his next method for evading reality. Probably some form of relativism or some kind of false equivocation.

Islam is a religion of peace because it has always been a religion of peace because leftists are told that Islam is a religion of peace therefore Islam is a religion of peace and all contrary evidence to this premise must be false because Islam is a religion of peace. It’s like watching 1984 happen, live.

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Observing Libertarian

I am a Humanist small L libertarian Deontological Minarchist. In that order - As a result of this philosophy: I cannot in good conscience condone the actions of any group, movement or organization which seeks to oppress another individuals human rights. By education I have an Associates of Occupational Studies in Gunsmithing, and am qualified to testify in Open Court on the State's behalf as a Firearms expert. I am also an NRA Certified Firearm Instructor. I am currently in the Process of writing two books on Philosophy

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